a lot of people it's a reflection of how we remember in 2008, president obama being elected but in california, prop 8 going through? >> you know, i think this is a see change moment. i think we see the real mainstreaming of gay and lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, so tammy bald wynn's election is really pointing to the future and that -- and i think it's a vindication that harvey milk was right, you know, the slain civil rights leader for lgbt people. when you get to know us, you can't help but love us. and as mainstream americans get to know their gay and lesbian neighbors, it is increasingly the case that they want to see them in all levels of our leadership and having the first openly gay person in the senate is a real step forward. >> big turning of the time. bishop gene robinson, great to have you on as always. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tom. >> that's going to wrap things up for me. i'm going to see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 eastern. i'll be much more well rested at that time. don't go anywhere, though. an equally tired alex wagner, she looks great, but equally tired,